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  • BoxheadTim

    May 10, 2010 8:40 p.m. BoxheadTim Dork

    I just checked a couple of trucks against the KBB website and noticed that prices asked for (in Vegas) appear to be way out of line - in the sense that the asking prices are a lot higher than KBB private sales. And not by a few hundred either, we're talking $2k+.

    Is that normal, is KBB not such a great source for prices or is it just a few people dreaming when they put up the ad?

  • jrw1621

    May 10, 2010 8:42 p.m. jrw1621 Dork

    I trust www.edmunds.com much more.

  • ddavidv

    May 10, 2010 8:46 p.m. ddavidv SuperDork

    I've never used Edmunds. I actually use kbb.com as a resource for work in my insurance gig. The key is to use private party and not retail value which sounds like you figured out. You may be running into stupid people who are pricing their vehicles based on retail (because everyone uses the internet now to price cars) hoping even stupider people will pay that.

    kbb.com is not 'recognized' as a legal source in my state for insurance settlements, but when I've checked them against our pricey Autosource valuations they are usually pretty darn close, so I think they are generally a useful tool.

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  • BoxheadTim

    May 10, 2010 8:48 p.m. BoxheadTim Dork

    Thanks ddavidv, that's very useful - I kind of suspected that it was people overpricing their vehicles (which explains why they hang around for weeks) but I needed a little reassurance that my gut feeling wasn't entirely off.

  • keethrax

    May 11, 2010 12:25 p.m. keethrax Reader

    In reply to BoxheadTim:

    For "appliance" cars KBB does a decent job. For more specialized cars (like many of use would be looking for) it's spotty at best.

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  • Woody

    May 11, 2010 12:34 p.m. Woody SuperDork

    Back when I worked at a dealership, they used Galves.

    I generally use Edmunds.

    This is the sort of thing that people who like this sort of thing will really like.

  • pinchvalve

    May 11, 2010 3:10 p.m. pinchvalve SuperDork

    I use this board.

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  • Woody

    May 11, 2010 3:34 p.m. Woody SuperDork

    I've found that if you're shopping for a Miata or a Jeep, throw the book away, get there before anyone else and make an offer that you're comfortable with.

    This is the sort of thing that people who like this sort of thing will really like.

  • RossD

    May 11, 2010 10:17 p.m. RossD Dork

    Wisconsin Miata prices and kbb prices are generally off by a decimal point for the first couple of years of the NA.

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  • JeepinMatt

    May 11, 2010 10:24 p.m. JeepinMatt HalfDork

    Try looking up the values for a Land Rover Defender, or a MKIV Supra, or a Viper GTS. Then trying find one for that price

    For common cars, I typically use Edmunds and KBB, but the most accurate way is to watch for what similar cars are going for. Ebaymotors, Craigslist, Autotrader etc...

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  • maroon92

    May 11, 2010 10:32 p.m. maroon92 SuperDork

    The MkIV Supra and FD RX-7 seem to be the most heinous examples of KBB inefficiency.

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  • JeepinMatt

    May 11, 2010 10:34 p.m. JeepinMatt HalfDork

    I would love to pick up an FD RX7 for what they quote. I made a post about a month back about wanting to pick up a Viper GTS at their cost too. Not gonna happen any time soon

    "But this is HDTV. It's got better resolution than the real world."

  • BoxheadTim

    May 12, 2010 6:21 p.m. BoxheadTim Dork

    To clarify - we're talking appliance vehicles here (a 4WD F250 in this particular case), not specialist vehicles like Miatas or RX7s (or Jeeps).

  • Johnboyjjb

    May 12, 2010 6:37 p.m. Johnboyjjb New Reader

    I always preferred NADA: http://www.nadaguides.com/

  • BoxheadTim

    May 12, 2010 6:40 p.m. BoxheadTim Dork

    NADA seems to be missing the 'private sale' valuation, tho'

  • 3Door4G

    May 12, 2010 10:09 p.m. 3Door4G Reader

    I consider myself very lucky if I can find any Honda selling for around KBB value. People charge way more for them (around here, anyway) and they sell too.

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  • John Brown

    May 12, 2010 10:16 p.m. John Brown SuperDork

    Go to KBB.com, Edmunds.com and NADAguides.com get the HIGH average of all three if you are selling, LOW average of all three if you are buying.

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  • ddavidv

    May 13, 2010 5:41 a.m. ddavidv SuperDork

    NADA is the most useless, in spite of their hype. Retail value is meaningless. The only people that pay that are idiots.

    "Having fun is my revenge on mortality"--Dustin Hoffman

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