Dunno if ya'll have seen this yet or not...
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Feb. 25, 2011 9:31 a.m. Conquest351 Reader
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Feb. 25, 2011 9:39 a.m. Raze Dork
jeeze the reader's comments on that site belie the horrible 'non-car person' status of most laymen. If they had never heard of an SVO, had they not heard of the Merkur or the TurboCoupe? Unless it's a 4banger turbo mustang it'll just be the Taurus SHO motor in a Stang, big woop? Even so, I'd rather take the new 5.0 over an SVO, just like what happened in the 80s...
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Feb. 25, 2011 9:44 a.m. alfadriver SuperDork
When I heard about the car, and the layout, all I could do was chuckle.
That being said, we had a 3.5 GTDI powered mustang as a mule- it was pretty fun- if that was built, many would enjoy it.
(the two sentences are not related to each other)
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Feb. 25, 2011 9:45 a.m. Conquest351 Reader
I worked at Motion Dynamics for about 5 years, we specialized in the SVO's, Turbo Coupes, & Merkurs. The new SVO is something I've thought about quite a bit and hoped it would come about. I'm just stoked!!
When you can leave black marks from the exit of one corner to the entry of the next, THEN you have enough horsepower!
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:00 a.m. JFX001 SuperDork
Looking forward to seeing the specs if and when.
Easy like Sunday Morning.
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:07 a.m. NickF40 Reader
Yeah what do those guys know, good lord they are mean!
I got excited when I heard this, a version of the new Mustang i'd actually want
"With that you are in for a whole night of suck squeeze bang blow"-James May
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:12 a.m. sachilles Dork
I think it has potential if is they hold true to the original spirit of the SVO. I think that would be more widely accepted today than when the original SVO came out. If they do it just as a name sake, it will be a failure.
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:17 a.m. Vigo Dork
it'll just be the Taurus SHO motor in a Stang, big woop?
Yeh, that motor only runs 13s in a 4200 lb barge. Its not like it would be any faster in a lighter car with less drivetrain loss..
I think there are plenty of people who would rather have a twin turbo mustang with massive upgradeability per dollar, than a 5.0.
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:25 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork
alfadriver wrote: That being said, we had a 3.5 GTDI powered mustang as a mule- it was pretty fun- if that was built, many would enjoy it.
Diesel Mustang! If the new Ford keeps putting out awesome cars like that I may be forced to buy a new Mustang.
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:29 a.m. Conquest351 Reader
LOL
The DI means Direct Injection.
Diesel would be kinda cool though!
When you can leave black marks from the exit of one corner to the entry of the next, THEN you have enough horsepower!
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:31 a.m. 93EXCivic SuperDork
Damn it. I got all excited. To many random letters that I don't know what they mean.
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Feb. 25, 2011 10:40 a.m. TR8owner New Reader
The original SVO is the only Mustang on my shortlist. If they do it again lets hope they do it right.
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Feb. 25, 2011 11:29 a.m. Raze Dork
Vigo wrote:
it'll just be the Taurus SHO motor in a Stang, big woop?
Yeh, that motor only runs 13s in a 4200 lb barge. Its not like it would be any faster in a lighter car with less drivetrain loss..
I think there are plenty of people who would rather have a twin turbo mustang with massive upgradeability per dollar, than a 5.0.
That's assuming there is any upgrade-ability, or that it will be be cheaper upgrade wise than a 5.0. New turbos? at that point why not just put it on a 5.0. Upgraded pistons/rods? so you have to buy 2 more than the 6? I'm not seeing the 'massive upgradeability' per dollar. I want to see specs next to $$$, that's all that matters in the end...
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Feb. 25, 2011 11:31 a.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
^It's already been proven that there is upgradeability. There's new SHOs in the 12s with pretty minimal work.
Of course, there will come a point where the laws of displacement rear their ugly heads, but that's at a financial point farther down the road.
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Feb. 25, 2011 11:46 a.m. Raze Dork
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ^It's already been proven that there is upgradeability. There's new SHOs in the 12s with pretty minimal work. Of course, there will come a point where the laws of displacement rear their ugly heads, but that's at a financial point farther down the road.
The dyno 'tune' upgrades I've seen on stock setups are around 50 WHP and 80 TRQs for final numbers in the 320/370ish range. I hate to say it but AWD is helping the SHO get into the 12s, most likely with some better rubber. I believe the numbers, I'm just not seeing how this in a Stang is going to be as good as a GT if that's the best you get on stock setup. Only time will tell...
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Feb. 25, 2011 12:57 p.m. mndsm SuperDork
Vigo wrote:
it'll just be the Taurus SHO motor in a Stang, big woop?
Yeh, that motor only runs 13s in a 4200 lb barge. Its not like it would be any faster in a lighter car with less drivetrain loss..
I think there are plenty of people who would rather have a twin turbo mustang with massive upgradeability per dollar, than a 5.0.
Put me in that group.
Go fast or go broke.
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Feb. 25, 2011 1:39 p.m. Conquest351 Reader
The original SVO had the same HP, but lower tq than the V8. The main thing was it was a great handling car and had the largest rear brakes ever put on a Mustang till the 2000 Cobra R. The Koni Adjustable Shocks & Struts, higher rate springs, larger sway bars, 16" wheels with low profile tires, etc. made it handle like it was on rails.
To do it correctly, they need to make it LIGHT, and make their focus on the suspension and brakes. Basically, take the Boss 302 Suspension and put it under a V6 Mustang with an SHO motor and 6-speed manual transmission. Dare I go out on a limb and suggest IRS as an SVO only suspension component?
When you can leave black marks from the exit of one corner to the entry of the next, THEN you have enough horsepower!
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Feb. 25, 2011 1:55 p.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
Conquest351 wrote: To do it correctly, they need to make it LIGHT, and make their focus on the suspension and brakes. Basically, take the Boss 302 Suspension and put it under a V6 Mustang with an SHO motor and 6-speed manual transmission. Dare I go out on a limb and suggest IRS as an SVO only suspension component?
Blasphemer!!!!! Next you'll want them to get rid of those super sweet sequential turn signal taillight thingymabobbers.
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Feb. 25, 2011 2:04 p.m. Conquest351 Reader
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
Conquest351 wrote: To do it correctly, they need to make it LIGHT, and make their focus on the suspension and brakes. Basically, take the Boss 302 Suspension and put it under a V6 Mustang with an SHO motor and 6-speed manual transmission. Dare I go out on a limb and suggest IRS as an SVO only suspension component?
Blasphemer!!!!! Next you'll want them to get rid of those super sweet sequential turn signal taillight thingymabobbers.
Nah, I like those. LOL
When you can leave black marks from the exit of one corner to the entry of the next, THEN you have enough horsepower!
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Feb. 25, 2011 5:02 p.m. John Brown SuperDork
Wait, I suggested this a year ago and Eric told me I was looney... then I hear he HAD one of these in the shop?
I now know for certain the Lincoln MKC will be a production vehicle:
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Feb. 25, 2011 5:14 p.m. Bench Racer (BowtieBandit) Reader
The reason why the SVO was a flop was because of pricing. Yes the turbo four was more powerful, but it was also much more expensive than the GT, and people already knew how to hop those up. Now unless they make an EcoBoost powered 'Stang cheaper or atleast closer to a GT price, I see the exact same thing happening.
Personally, I'd rather have one than the 5.0, as awesome as the 5.0 is, I'm thinking MPGs, as well as Smile per gallon.
Turbos are like ketchup, they make everything better!
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Feb. 25, 2011 5:17 p.m. 92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
My main brain shut down as soon as it saw "turbo."
The rest is irrelevant.
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Feb. 25, 2011 5:24 p.m. ransom New Reader
Lighterlighterlighterlighter.
Also, lighter. And plus a flibbertygillion to the comments above about emphasizing handling in the component choices.
How 'bout removing some sound deadening, and then they can also get rid of the tube used to duct engine sounds into the cabin? Double weight loss win with a side of tactile/auditory joy! (And there's just something that bothers me deeply about that engine-noise duct)
I don't suppose I'm ever going to be able to recalibrate my sense of 'light' from my '70 2002 to anything modern, but I keep hoping they'll meet me halfway...
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Feb. 25, 2011 8:53 p.m. alfadriver SuperDork
John Brown wrote: Wait, I suggested this a year ago and Eric told me I was looney... then I hear he HAD one of these in the shop?
Like I said, the car we had was not realted to reality, except that it was 4 wheels that held the engine in it. So...
My dream Lincoln is based on the chassis that is under the Miata and RX-8. Really wish that would happen.... I would totally get it and replace my Miata.
As for the original SVO- did anyone catch that F1 movie in general area? One of the guys there was one who partially got into trouble on the SVO. It handled and stopped better than the GT- some people were not all that happy about that.
I won't comment too much about the SHO hackers, I mean "tuners".
GTDI= Gasoline turbocharged Direct Injection. Hope that helps.
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Feb. 25, 2011 8:55 p.m. John Brown SuperDork
alfadriver wrote: Like I said, the car we had was not realted to reality, except that it was 4 wheels that held the engine in it. So... My dream Lincoln is based on the chassis that is under the Miata and RX-8. Really wish that would happen.... I would totally get it and replace my Miata.
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