I do HPDE regularly and I am ready to step up into a more serious track car. I currently own a 1995 993 it has pss9 suspension, curve straightening kit seats, brake kit and roll bars. The car is awesome in I love it however I am looking to move up. I am considering a GT3 or a Z06. For all you track guys out there what is your opinion of the Z06. I know a lot of people who own GT3s and I do know it is an unbelievable car however very expensive to maintain when things do brake. As this past DE year past I noticed a lot mre Z06's running with PCA and they really tear up the track. What is your opinion on the Z06?
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Dec. 22, 2009 11:41 a.m. tommyg None
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Dec. 22, 2009 11:57 a.m. scardeal Reader
Give me about $80k and I'll let you know.
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Dec. 22, 2009 12:02 p.m. CGLockRacer Reader
Someone has to say it: 10 Miatas, all with different suspensions for each track, throw in a V8 one, a turbo one, etc. etc. etc. for the cost of a Z06 or GT3.
Sorry, not any help here, but Miata is the default answer for this forum...
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Dec. 22, 2009 12:16 p.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
tommyg wrote: I do HPDE regularly and I am ready to step up into a more serious track car. I currently own a 1995 993 it has pss9 suspension, curve straightening kit seats, brake kit and roll bars. The car is awesome in I love it however I am looking to move up. I am considering a GT3 or a Z06. For all you track guys out there what is your opinion of the Z06. I know a lot of people who own GT3s and I do know it is an unbelievable car however very expensive to maintain when things do brake. As this past DE year past I noticed a lot mre Z06's running with PCA and they really tear up the track. What is your opinion on the Z06?
You already have the right car. I'd spend the money to have the motor built to make serious power (or swap in a built RS 3.8), add proper remote reservoir shock package from Penske to go with a racing coilver setup tuned by whatever shop springs from the ashes of Farnbacher Loles. A diff / trans overhaul with more lockup and steel synchros... full cage and composite panels to cut weight. The whole deal. If you spend $50k on it at a shop that sets up professional racecars you will have more than you can buy in a GT3 or Z-06.
That said... if you want a new car - GT3. No question. I driven and instructed students with both and really - the GT3 is just out-of-this-world good. The C6 Z-06 is great - but it lacks the telepathic feel and there is just something missing. Then there is also the resale issue... Z-06s will be cheaper faster.
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Dec. 22, 2009 12:25 p.m. Salanis SuperDork
Are you planning this as a dedicated track car? Will you have something else to DD? Sounds like yes to the first. It had better be yes to the second if you're at all serious about the track.
I say, skip street cars altogether. Get some sort of already fully prepped racer with all the proper performance and safety gear. You will get much higher performance for your dollar than on a street car. It will also hold value better than a streetcar.
I would look into something like a Factory Five Racer or maybe a Radical: http://www.radicalsportscars.com/
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Dec. 22, 2009 12:41 p.m. Greg W None
In hot NorCal summer track days, I've seen a number of Z06s have to sit out a session or come in early due to overheating. Haven't seen this with any 996/997s, so that's a consideration.
Also, when I'm in my S2000 and get passed by a C5/6 on the straights, I don't think "gotta have one" the way I do with a GT3. While the C6 is a great track car, and much less costly to maintain, it's the missing "gotta have it" factor that keeps it off my new play-car finalist list.
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Dec. 22, 2009 12:51 p.m. oldsaw HalfDork
Salanis wrote: Are you planning this as a dedicated track car? Will you have something else to DD? Sounds like yes to the first. It had better be yes to the second if you're at all serious about the track. I would look into something like a Factory Five Racer or maybe a Radical: http://www.radicalsportscars.com/
A big +1 on a Radical........... A used SR3 (with a log-booked history) would provide a bigger thrill than either a GT3 or Z06 and do it for less money.
Even if one had to buy a tow vehicle and a trailer, a Radical would probably still cost less than a GT3. A C5 Z06 can be found at "bargian" prices, but are they as fast as the current track-day car?
And for even less money, some really good schools may make the driver ever faster without having to buy a new car.
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Dec. 22, 2009 1:06 p.m. Feedyurhed HalfDork
GT3. Nuff said.
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Dec. 22, 2009 1:18 p.m. JeepinMatt Reader
I wonder how much a used Ultima GTR would be.
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Dec. 22, 2009 2:20 p.m. tommyg New Reader
In reply to JeepinMatt:
Guys thanks for the input. I have considered upping the HP in my 993 and putting a cage in it but the car is just so damn cherry that I cannot do that.And yes this will be my dedicated track car. However, I would like to arrive and drive if I want to. I was thinking along the lines of a Kateck Z06. I have been on the track with these cars and my buddies (two of which run cup cars) have a hard time with them. I am not saying one is better than the other It just seems like for the $$$ you can get a lot more performance and a lower$$$ maintenance record. I am more curious if anyone has experience with the Z's?
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Dec. 22, 2009 2:30 p.m. dyintorace Dork
I saw the car below at the LA Auto Show. Drop dead gorgeous.
I agree with the earlier comment regarding lust. I respect the heck out of the Z06 (and ZR1), but the GT3 (and GT3RS) make me weak with desire.
Gainesville, FL
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Dec. 22, 2009 2:52 p.m. JoeyM Reader
tommyg wrote: What is your opinion on the Z06?
They don't respond well to people who don't know the difference between the smell of tires and the smell of a clutch.
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Dec. 22, 2009 3:01 p.m. Salanis SuperDork
I'm not sure your experience, but I'd highly recommend spending some effort upgrading the driver first. Go to a good racing school. I'd even say get a cheap momentum car and spend a year with that. I watch people in "advanced" groups at HPDE who have sloppy lines because they have the power to get away with it.
If you are really set on GT3 vs. Z06, I'd find an opportunity to really test drive both. You're not competing, so to hell with which one is faster. Just get the one that puts the biggest smile on your face.
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Dec. 22, 2009 3:04 p.m. Salanis SuperDork
Wait, I have the correct answer now. Caterham or or Lotus 7 clone.
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Dec. 22, 2009 6:52 p.m. tommyg New Reader
In reply to Salanis:
salanis, I agree. I have been DEing for 4yrs now and avg approx 10-15 events per year and I see what you are referring too - people with high HP cars and bad lines, in fact I see it A LOT. Although I have a tremendous amount to learn I feel I am comfortable enough to step up to a different car. I am not looking to be the fastest car - I really do not care about that _ but I do want a relatively competitive car that performs, is reliable and reasonable maintenance costs. The Z does offer reduced maintenance costs as compared to porsche.
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Dec. 22, 2009 7:00 p.m. Salanis SuperDork
Purpose built. Street legal. Low maintenance cost. Minimal depreciation. Telepathic handling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bhnE2rAWuA
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Dec. 22, 2009 7:03 p.m. Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
Salanis wrote: Purpose built. Street legal. Low maintenance cost. Minimal depreciation. Telepathic handling: http://www.uscaterham.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bhnE2rAWuA
I prefer your Radical reccomendation... but no piddly SR-3... SR-8 all the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzxW51EyoWY
walterj, playing with the 'preferred username' feature
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Dec. 22, 2009 7:50 p.m. Woody SuperDork
JoeyM wrote:
tommyg wrote: What is your opinion on the Z06?
They don't respond well to people who don't know the difference between the smell of tires and the smell of a clutch.
I was hoping for fire.
Failure is not disgrace...we prepare for glory by failing until we don't.
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Dec. 22, 2009 8:52 p.m. M030 Reader
I haven't gotten my copy yet, but from the looks of the website, Excellence magazine has a GT3/Corvette comparison in the latest issue..
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Dec. 22, 2009 9:00 p.m. Salanis SuperDork
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I prefer your Radical reccomendation... but no piddly SR-3... SR-8 all the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzxW51EyoWY
Can the Radical be made street legal so that the poster can drive it to and from events?
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Dec. 22, 2009 9:06 p.m. oldsaw HalfDork
Salanis wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I prefer your Radical reccomendation... but no piddly SR-3... SR-8 all the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzxW51EyoWY
Can the Radical be made street legal so that the poster can drive it to and from events?
Apparently, pretty much all Radicals (up to the SR9) can be made road legal, at least in the UK. In the US, who knows?
Oh, the cost of a SR8 transmission is at least the cost of a C5 Z06, so maybe the answer isn't an SR8. Unless one is a pharma-heir or PowerBall winner.
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Dec. 23, 2009 7:41 a.m. ZOO Dork
Both are exceptional track cars. The Corvette will likely have lower entry costs. (although C6 Z06 brake pads are apparently really expensive -- six individual pads, if I recall, per caliber). The Porsches are gorgeous. Can you arrange drives of both? That could be your deciding factor.
I've never seen a Z06 or a GT3 with a mechanical failure at any HPDE event I've attended.
The Corvette racing and track community is supportive and strong -- they've been great to me (and I have a lowly C4).
1990 Miata, 1992 Corvette, 2000 Protege
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Dec. 23, 2009 7:56 a.m. aussiesmg SuperDork
What do good drivers on the same track manage in these cars, are they similar in lap times if so save some money, if the Porsche is faster it appears to be better in the other areas such as fit, finish, comfort, resale.
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Dec. 23, 2009 8:04 a.m. mad_machine SuperDork
ZOO wrote: Can you arrange drives of both? That could be your deciding factor.
There is your answer. It is not which car is cheaper to run or is faster or handles better.. it is which car makes YOU the better and faster driver. You could have a 1000hp vette with handling that can exceed 2gs... and if you hated it, you would quickly become a slow driver just because you were not enjoying taking it out.
Conversly, you could have a 150hp 911S from the early seventies on skinny tyres and stock suspension.. but if you loved the feel, you would find yourself driving harder and harder and faster and faster.
It all comes down to which car you are the most comfortible with. Take them both for a spin and see. Honestly, you cannot go wrong with either.
If it came down to me.. and my 933 was too "cherry" to mod for racing... pick up another for cheaper that is not quite so nice and build it
Non-Sequitor Alert!
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Dec. 23, 2009 8:08 a.m. ZOO Dork
mad_machine wrote:
ZOO wrote: Can you arrange drives of both? That could be your deciding factor.
There is your answer. It is not which car is cheaper to run or is faster or handles better.. it is which car makes YOU the better and faster driver.
Great point. My two HPDE cars complement one another (a Miata, and a C4 Corvette) -- they are both remarkably similar in their on-track disposition. The Corvette has taught me to be quicker in the Miata, and the Miata has made me quicker in the Corvette.
1990 Miata, 1992 Corvette, 2000 Protege
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