how would one acheve this ? i had a drawnout plan for a fullsize blazer (tahoe) awd turbo...but how would you do an s10 or blazer ? could one use a manual trans?
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May 17, 2010 5:50 p.m. stealthfighter1 New Reader
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May 17, 2010 6:01 p.m. njansenv Reader
I think the Olds Bravada had the same AWD system...it's probably a good start. Not sure about the manual trans.
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May 17, 2010 6:06 p.m. m4ff3w SuperDork
Talk to Mr. Quasi-MoFo.
He has wetdreams of such a setup.
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May 17, 2010 6:43 p.m. Nashco SuperDork
I thought about the the easiest way to make a "sporty" AWD manual trans GM (similar to the Sy/Ty) a few months ago. This could go with either the 4.3/SBC/LT1 or LS1 depending on the trans bellhousing, of course. After a few hours of digging around, this is what I came up with (copied from my post in another forum and reformatted for this retarded forum formatting requirement):
What can I say, my mind wanders....so I did a little more digging around gmpowertrain.com to see what might be possible with newer stuff. I'm not saying this is going to be cheap, but it might be more appropriate for a "sporty" AWD 6 speed. I did a bunch of digging and figured out how you can almost mate a transfer case and TR6060/T56 together with factory parts, sans a custom output shaft that would probably be required.
Exhibit A (refererring to the 'vette transmissions):
Also in 2006 the 6L80 six-speed automatic transmission was introduced, and the bolt pattern for the rear of the case extension of the manual transmission was changed to match the same bolt pattern as the automatic.
Exhibit B:
Image of Camaro/CTS-V 6060
Exhibit C:
Image of 'vette 6060 with case extension for rear diff (note that case extension is same bolt pattern as above tailhousing)
Exhibit D:
Image of extension plate that bolts to rear of 6L80 case for 'vette rear diff
Exhibit E:
Image of 6L80 with transfer case attached...note short adapter/tailshaft housing between transfer case and rear of trans case
For reference, it seems like the T56 and TR6060 are pretty much identical externally...which makes me think this logic will apply to a SBC/LT1 T56 the same as a TR6060. So here's how it would assemble from front to back:
T56 -> 'Vette case extension -> custom adapter similar to Exhibit D -> Transfer case
If you're really lucky with the spline count on the available T56/TR6060 output and transfer case inputs, you might just be able to use an off-the-shelf output shaft with the proper thickness custom adapter (exhibit D).
....and after all that, I think I found somebody who makes such an assembly (replacing two adapters with one, sensibly):
Bryce
Portland, OR | '69 Bug | '05 Saabaru | '95 Impreza | '67 122S | '07 Sky Redline | $2009 AWD Fiero Hybrid | '72 N600
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May 17, 2010 7:32 p.m. petegossett SuperDork
^^^ That looks heavy. :(
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May 17, 2010 8:30 p.m. mndsm HalfDork
Ok, maybe I'm underthinking this- but wouldn't it be easier to weld the diffs on a 4wd truck making it fulltime, and TT'ing that?
Go fast or go broke.
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May 17, 2010 8:58 p.m. BoneYard_Racing Reader
Forget AWD get a later 99+ blazer or jimmy with the 4 button awd or a bravada with AWD either will work. Get on the typhoon club site and get a turbo bolt that on run your pipes. Get a pair of injectors and add them somewhere in the air tract just splice into your injector harness and run from the return line on the rail to the secondary rail.
This might not be the most DD friendly ghetto-phoon but it will be the cheapest I sold my last S10 for $600 and had a hard time giving my 98 ZR2 away for $2000
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May 17, 2010 9:13 p.m. pinchvalve SuperDork
From a review of the Lingenfelter Tahoe:
"Every one of those horses makes a noise in this Bell Tech-lowered Tahoe. In four-wheel drive, this thing launches as if rear-ended by a low-flying B-52. Turning an aluminum driveshaft and Budnik wheels with massive 335/35ZR17 Michelin Pilot SX tires at every corner, this Tahoe hit 60 mph in a ludicrous 5.1 seconds and inhaled the quarter mile in just 13.8 seconds at 96.0 mph."
So my response is to add a supercharger to big V8 and drop it into the S10 chassis.
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May 17, 2010 9:18 p.m. novaderrik New Reader
get a 4X4 S series pickup with a 4.3 in it. put a transfer case out of an Astro van in it. bolt an LT1 in front of the trans and bolt it into the chassis with adapter plates and '67 Chevelle big block engine mouning pad on motor mount plates made out of 1/8" thick steel to move the mount back on the engine to the stock 4.3 location. weld an oil pan sump from a 4X4 4.3 to the LT1 oil pan and use the 4.3 oil pump.. not turbocharged, but close enough.
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May 17, 2010 9:22 p.m. Kia_racer Reader
there is no replacement for displacement.
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May 17, 2010 9:27 p.m. barnca Reader
i remember the late carl merrill built one to compete in rally against the euro invasion. it had a cyclone front end and was powered by an old busch series v6. i think it had mechanical fuel injection. and i believe a t350 trans with the cyclone center diff.. i know the had a hard time keeping cv joints in the front of it. tons of horsepower and the cv's were the weak link at that time. it was a total tube frame rig and was fast as hell. i tried to find some pics. no luck. i am sure there are some out there some were..
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May 17, 2010 9:53 p.m. Dusterbd13 New Reader
i looked at this, but only northstar powered. eep AX15 five speed will bolt to an astro AWD t-case, which in turn bolts to the 60 v6 bellhousing pattern the n has. use code 59 on a 7730 ECM for the boost. hardest part is making motor mounts and accessories.
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May 17, 2010 9:55 p.m. Vigo Reader
I think a bravada with an lt1/ls1 swap and some suspension bits (maybe even just some Xtreme truck stuff) would be most of the fun with less of the hassle. You can always turbo it later.
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May 17, 2010 10:01 p.m. bamalama Reader
Vigo wrote: I think a bravada with an lt1/ls1 swap and some suspension bits (maybe even just some Xtreme truck stuff) would be most of the fun with less of the hassle. You can always turbo it later.
That's what I've been wanting to do. Except I want to get one with body damage and rebody it with a 70's Camaro or something. Turbo V8 AWD mulletmobile FTW
Do the Bravadas have torsion bars up front like a 4wd Blazer?
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May 17, 2010 10:01 p.m. Nashco SuperDork
petegossett wrote: ^^^ That looks heavy. :(
Keep in mind the manual trans is lighter than the auto trans, so it's actually lighter than a stock AWD with auto. Plus, you get to ditch all that stuff like torque converter, fluid lines, cooler, etc. Sure, it's heavier than an MGB trans (or whatever), but when you want to put a lot of ponies to a lot of driven wheels in a heavy pickup (reliably), it takes a stout gearbox to take the abuse.
If you wanted a five speed instead of a six speed, the AX15 would be a good way to go. The T56 super duper overdrive sixth sure is nice, but you pay for it.
Bryce
Portland, OR | '69 Bug | '05 Saabaru | '95 Impreza | '67 122S | '07 Sky Redline | $2009 AWD Fiero Hybrid | '72 N600
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May 17, 2010 10:19 p.m. blaze86vic Reader
Kia_racer wrote: there is no replacement for displacement.
No, but boost is a substitute....and with 1/3 LESS FAT!!!
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May 17, 2010 10:59 p.m. skolrud New Reader
I'm probably chiming in with out enough information(or reading the entire thread) Quite a few years ago a car built for Pikes Peak was built from a Buick transvers 6 cyl. turned 90 degrees, the axle outputs became drive shafts to the diffs. This would be far light and compact if you can find a trans axle to handle the power you hope to achieve. I think the article I read featured an automatic.
Steve
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May 18, 2010 12:40 a.m. gamby SuperDork
blaze86vic wrote:
Kia_racer wrote: there is no replacement for displacement.
No, but boost is a substitute....and with 1/3 LESS FAT!!!
Yep, boost and technology are two great replacements
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May 18, 2010 1:09 a.m. Nashco SuperDork
skolrud wrote: I'm probably chiming in with out enough information(or reading the entire thread) Quite a few years ago a car built for Pikes Peak was built from a Buick transvers 6 cyl. turned 90 degrees, the axle outputs became drive shafts to the diffs. This would be far light and compact if you can find a trans axle to handle the power you hope to achieve. I think the article I read featured an automatic.
I've seen that car in person, very cool time-period piece. However, I don't think that has much of anything to do with this thread at all.
Bryce
Portland, OR | '69 Bug | '05 Saabaru | '95 Impreza | '67 122S | '07 Sky Redline | $2009 AWD Fiero Hybrid | '72 N600
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May 18, 2010 6:49 a.m. John Brown SuperDork
gamby wrote:
blaze86vic wrote:
Kia_racer wrote: there is no replacement for displacement.
No, but boost is a substitute....and with 1/3 LESS FAT!!!
Yep, boost and technology are two great replacements
But is you boost an LSx you have more reason the be the fat guy that all the chicks want to sleep with.
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- 4.11 gears in both axles
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May 18, 2010 7:16 p.m. stealthfighter1 New Reader
what if you kept it auto, would a 4l60e+awd+5.7L vortec out of an 00+ escalade , (yukon denali) fit in an s10 regular cab shortbed, the boxy kind?
78 s30 / 90 e30
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May 18, 2010 7:30 p.m. aussiesmg SuperDork
<= This works, well if it doesnt break
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May 18, 2010 7:34 p.m. bamalama Reader
stealthfighter1 wrote: what if you kept it auto, would a 4l60e+awd+5.7L vortec out of an 00+ escalade , (yukon denali) fit in an s10 regular cab shortbed, the boxy kind?
My brother's Denali is a 6.0, even more win
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May 18, 2010 9:22 p.m. stealthfighter1 New Reader
would you have to start with a 4wd model? my intuition points to yes...
another idea: a 4wd, 4.3L, s10/blazer with a bravada/astro awd t-case + turbo...
78 s30 / 90 e30
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May 19, 2010 9:56 a.m. GameboyRMH SuperDork
mndsm wrote: Ok, maybe I'm underthinking this- but wouldn't it be easier to weld the diffs on a 4wd truck making it fulltime, and TT'ing that?
A truck with welded diffs would handle like ass on pavement. It would be chuffing and howling its way around every corner, and you'd have to be built like Hulk Hogan to steer it. Heck even a locker on the rear axle is a total PITA.
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