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Dec. 5, 2009 1:24 p.m. VanillaSky Reader

I'll leave it off, then. It's not something that will make enough of a difference to make it worth the hit to the budget at FMV.

I did find a better motor that will drop right into my car, so I might just do an engine swap.
Dec. 16, 2009 10:38 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

I'm hoping to have an updated web page with 2010 information and entry forms soon!

Per
Dec. 28, 2009 11:02 a.m. tuna55 Reader

I have an odd question. I haven't found anything restricting (or allowing) any specific type of fuel. Obviously, gasoline and diesel are the two usual suspects, and I see rules involving nitrous oxide. Normally, rules are there to enforce silly things like not running hydrazine, or potentially disastrous things, like not plumbing the carb with a O2 tank (although that would be great if it didn't ever get in a fire, oxygen is a great oxidizer, ya know), but nitromethane (small percentages people), methanol, ethanol, E85 etc are actual real alternatives.

Any guidelines? Hasn't anyone ever asked this before now (yes, I have searched)? -Brian
Dec. 28, 2009 1:21 p.m. SVreX SuperDork

Have at it, big boy!
Dec. 28, 2009 6:47 p.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

Fuels that meet NHRA/SCCA/NASA safety regs are ok.
Dec. 28, 2009 7:26 p.m. tuna55 Reader

So Nitromethane works, huh? This could be fun! And slightly dangerous!
Dec. 29, 2009 6:49 a.m. cemike2 New Reader

unevolved wrote: What are the chances of excluding OEM-replacement wheel studs from the budget? I remember the "Torqueless Rotards" FB RX-7 wreck in a LeMons race when a stud failed, and we all saw the PBR Sentra's accident at the '09 Challenge. I can't see any performance advantage replacing studs would give. Although they're cheap, every little bit helps if we can exclude them from the budget.

Mike
Dec. 29, 2009 6:50 a.m. cemike2 New Reader

It wasn't the PBR Sentra (the red and white one was mine!) I believe it was the gray TearoffGuys Sentra.

Mike
Dec. 29, 2009 6:13 p.m. unevolved Reader

Oh, my fault. Guess I remembered wrong. Sorry.

Kid can't even read.
Dec. 30, 2009 7:22 a.m. m0t0r1t3 New Reader

unevolved wrote: Oh, my fault. Guess I remembered wrong. Sorry.

everyone did that.. no problem
Dec. 30, 2009 8:44 a.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

Entry forms and packets will pdf'ed and posted by next week. thanks!

Per
Dec. 31, 2009 4:22 a.m. cemike2 New Reader

unevolved wrote: Oh, my fault. Guess I remembered wrong. Sorry.

No problem.

I like the idea of counting wheel studs as a safety item (and not against the budget). The '09 Challenge was not the only time a wheel has come off at the Challenge.

Mike
Jan. 2, 2010 11:10 a.m. Karl La Follette HalfDork

I found this pik of my nephew changing the starter before the challenge , this was the wheel that came off , I will make sure of the wheel safety issues we had in 09 are a thing of the past . The trophy we got would not be worth anything if someone was hurt " />
Jan. 8, 2010 11:14 p.m. Woody SuperDork

VanillaSky wrote: Here's a budget question. I won an item in a raffle that I'd like to install. It would be worth it to install at the price of the raffle ticket, but not at FMV. The raffle was open to the whole model-specific forum, so I would see this as something that could be counted as price payed, which would be what I payed for the raffle ticket plus shipping.

I'm pretty sure that you're responsible for paying taxes on such winnings and the taxes would be based upon the item's MSRP, not the cost of the ticket.

Failure is not disgrace...we prepare for glory by failing until we don't.
Jan. 12, 2010 2:16 p.m. garaithon None

I have a question about using a car and how it will affect my budget. My car was totaled by a lady who ran a red light and I am having trouble getting any money from her. My question is If I buy the car back for $500 (or whatever they want for my totaled car) can I use the $500 price for my budget?

I am thinking yes...

Another possibility (heaven forbid) I don't get any money and all I have is a totaled car... In this case would it be considered free in the budget?

I don't know... I'm taking the life gives you lemons make lemonade approach on this whole situation.

Thanks!
Jan. 12, 2010 2:33 p.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

Salvage value or fair market value, which ever is lower. By salvage, I mean what you'd pay the insurance company for it.

I'm still waiting on the pdfs of the entry forms. Damn magazine is getting in the way of our events.
Jan. 12, 2010 9:28 p.m. garaithon New Reader

Ok thanks thats what I thought! Let the magazine get in the way, I love it, and cant wait for the next one in the mail!
Jan. 13, 2010 4:54 p.m. Supercoupe Reader

Per, would a Tri Magnum be allowed in the special class? Don't think it would meet any SCCA class since it's a three wheeler.

While looking for some plans for a tow dolly, I came across my Tri Magnum book and prints from back in the 80's. Bought them from Quincy Lynn when it was featured in Mechanix Illustrated.
Jan. 13, 2010 4:56 p.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

Nope, must be a four-wheeled vehicle. Per
Jan. 14, 2010 6:53 p.m. ansonivan Reader

Parts pricing problem, I work in a bmw shop, my boss found he could purchase a complete belt tension swivel assembly for much less than the cost of just the pulley, since the pulleys fit several different applications we have been scrapping a ton of the swivel assembly's. Being a thrifty pack rat I kept a few of said assembly's and have found a use for them in a shift linkage of a challenge car. How do I price these things? Picture of assembly below.

The same shop occasionally performs 5 speed swaps, of course the automatic pedal assembly's go to scrap, again I've found a use for the swivel part of the brake pedal, how do I price these?
Jan. 14, 2010 7:05 p.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork

weigh it, charge yourself the scrap value of it. scrap is scrap.

if you're gonna be a bear.... be a grizzly bear!
Jan. 15, 2010 8:52 a.m. ansonivan Reader

Scrap pricing is exactly what I was hoping to hear, if anyone complains I have several spare swivels I'll be happy to sell them by the pound.
Jan. 15, 2010 5:51 p.m. Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director

Entry form has been posted for you early birds...
Jan. 16, 2010 5:30 p.m. exST165 New Reader

I was just checking out the 2010 rules (http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/events/2010-challenge/rules/) and they came out all funky. I don't know if it was MS Exploder but I had to copy them into MS Word to read them.

FWIW I'm kinda stoked that a scratch built A-Mod could compete in the "special" class and wouldn't need windshield / horn / turn-signals / etc. Harkens back the first $1,500 Challenge with the two classes!

Thomas

Team Frozen Nuts Racing
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