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  July 11, 2011 1:13 p.m. njansenv HalfDork

  Hopefully none of you are getting sick of my "next project" posts. As noted in another thread, I looked at a BMW 2002 project. I went away a little disappointed, but after sleeping on it realize that my expectations might be a little unrealistic.

  So I'm reconsidering.
  The car was reportedly restored in the early 90's, and all the panels except the passenger side rocker and driver inner fender (under the brake fluid reservoir) were solid. Doors have no evidence of rust or bondo, and the same is true for the fenders. The rear shock towers appear solid. The chrome is "ok". It's no show car, but looks fantastic at 10 feet. The car needs brake lines, and the interior needs work. The door and window seals need work.
  My wife LOVES the car, and I can pick it up for $2500 delivered. (A bonus, since a tow or rental trailer would cost ~$200+ a full day of my time).
  

  The trouble is, we have a totally rust free E30 sedan in the garage waiting for me to put a drivetrain in it and rebuild the suspension...but I've been having a hard time staying motivated on that project. While it's more solid (and a "better" car), it doesn't quite hit the "classic" button that the 2002 does. I've thought about keeping both, but that rarely works out well....

  A bonus with the 2002: classic car insurance is $100 a year. The E30 wouldn't qualify, and would be about $100/month.
  Thoughts?
  

  
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  July 11, 2011 1:17 p.m. Tyler H Dork

  If you hold real still, you can can hear 2002s slowly returning to the earth. Sounds like Rice Krispies. They're great cars in that retro sense, but unless you're adept at rust remediation, I would fix the E30. Everybody under 30 already thinks they're classics.

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  July 11, 2011 1:17 p.m. AngryCorvair SuperDork

  1. get rid of e30 either before or after picking up '02
  2. buy '02
  3. put Panasports on '02
  4. ?
  5. profit!

  if you're gonna be a bear.... be a grizzly bear!

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  July 11, 2011 1:23 p.m. Duke SuperDork

  You're unmotivated by the E30 and your wife loves the 2002 - I'd say those 2 factors answer your question by themselves. A rust-free E30 shell probably won't hang around your garage any longer than you want it to, either.

  Junior Brown is my hero.

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  July 11, 2011 1:32 p.m. DukeOfUndersteer SuperDork

  AngryCorvair wrote: 1. get rid of e30 either before or after picking up '02 2. buy '02 3. put Panasports on '02 4. put box flares on '02 5. ? 6. profit!

  fixed...

  We are flashin trannys... wait that came out wrong

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  July 11, 2011 1:35 p.m. jimbob_racing Dork

  Seriously, buy the 2002 now. Sounds like an affordable deal for you and you seem more engaged in it. Get rid of the project E30 asap and spend the time to bring the running 2002 up to par while you enjoy it. This seems so easy to me but you sound like you need convinced. Do it!

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  July 11, 2011 1:44 p.m. Tom Heath Web Manager

  Did someone say BMW 2002 project?

  We've got one of those.

  I'm pretty sure I've liked every 2002 I've ever seen. Do it!

  I tried drag racing, but kept blowing the apex for turn 2...

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  July 11, 2011 2:18 p.m. ultraclyde HalfDork

  I have to say, for a car known as rust-friendly, that sounds like a solid winner. Any car from 72 would normally have more rust than that even here in the Sunny South.

  If you don't love the E30, get the 2002. you won't have many opportunities on a 2002 in that good a shape for that low money (it seems, I'm not a bimmer guy).
  

  Either car qualifies as a hobby, so do what makes you happy. If that is now the 2002 and no longer the e30, don't let it bother you. Don't worry about what you "Should" do or which is the "better" car.

  "It's hard to be a visionary in a world full of blind people." - JM

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  July 11, 2011 2:20 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork

  buy it before you regret it

  Be careful of your words, for someone will agree with them. Be careful of your conduct, for someone will imitate it. -Leih Tsu

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  July 11, 2011 2:30 p.m. Keith SuperDork

  Bill at FM bought a 2002 that was rust free and a nice little driver. Here's what it looks like right now. He started to fix the little bit of rust on the spare tire well...

  $2500 is a great deal, though. They don't depreciate, so you get to drive for free. More importantly, it's a driver and not a shell in the garage. It's a lot more fun to work on smaller projects on a driveable car than it is to chew through a mammoth job. I have rediscovered this after the MG is back on the road. I'm a lot more motivated to tackle something like replacing the door cards or swapping out a sway bar when I know I can take the car for a drive when I'm done.

  Square left in 50 caution ocean!

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  July 11, 2011 2:35 p.m. Woody SuperDork

  Tom Heath wrote: Did someone say BMW 2002 project? We've got one of those.

  Why was I not informed of this?

  I lift things up and put them down.

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  July 11, 2011 2:36 p.m. Tom Heath Web Manager

  In reply to Woody:

  Not a Classic Motorsports Subscriber? Don't get to the main page? Missed that other links that I've littered about the internet? There are many possible explanations, but it's not something we're trying to keep a secret.

  I tried drag racing, but kept blowing the apex for turn 2...

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  July 11, 2011 2:49 p.m. mw HalfDork

  I'm pretty sure your e30 would qualify for the cheap classic car insurance (15 years ). I hate doing body work, so I'd lean towards the e30. I do love the 02, but living in Ontario, I really appreciate a car that's never rusted.

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  July 11, 2011 3:33 p.m. Woody SuperDork

  Tom Heath wrote: In reply to Woody: Not a Classic Motorsports Subscriber? Don't get to the main page? Missed that other links that I've littered about the internet? There are many possible explanations, but it's not something we're trying to keep a secret.

  Was. No. Yes.

  And, they just closed the two closest Border's...

  I lift things up and put them down.

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  July 11, 2011 4:43 p.m. njansenv HalfDork

  jimbob_racing wrote: Seriously, buy the 2002 now. Sounds like an affordable deal for you and you seem more engaged in it. Get rid of the project E30 asap and spend the time to bring the running 2002 up to par while you enjoy it. This seems so easy to me but you sound like you need convinced. Do it!

  :) Boy did I come to the wrong place to get talked down. The owner just called me: he's hit a deadline to get rid of it, and I agreed to purchase it for $2100. We're VERY excited. I think Keith nailed it: it's a driving project, one that we can enjoy as we go...and it certainly doesn't seem like we'll lose anything on the purchase. That said, I hope I don't go down the road that Bill went down!

  As to bodywork: the E30 needed to get painted anyways if I keep it...and the 2002 doesn't 'need' bodywork in it's current state as a 'fun driver'. It does need a new/redone drivers seat: anyone have any leads?

  EDIT: And AngryC is right: it needs Panasports. I've been buying/following enough "Classic Motorsports" that it is definitely time to subscribe...

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  July 11, 2011 4:43 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork

  it's worth it.. not only is a clean looking 02.. but a round taillight 02

  Be careful of your words, for someone will agree with them. Be careful of your conduct, for someone will imitate it. -Leih Tsu

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  July 11, 2011 5:20 p.m. ddavidv SuperDork

  You can't buy those that cheap. You did well.

  Having built a couple '02s and now racing an E30, I prefer the E30 myself. Mostly it's because of the M20 engine. Do not be obsessed with keeping the '02 stock. The one I helped restore when it was done was kind of a snooze to drive. With some good suspension under another one I found a much different car that was a great deal of fun. Stock sucks; go crazy.

  Moved to the fastest run group so I can drive "flat out"

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  July 11, 2011 5:46 p.m. oldtin Dork

  I've had 3 02s. I'll have another in the not too distant future. congrats. Sounds like a decent buy. Oh, an m20 will fit. So will an m50 or ls.

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  July 11, 2011 6:11 p.m. njansenv HalfDork

  ls, as in, LS1?

  No drivetrain swaps planned (yet). An M20 would be fun: great sound and good power for the weight of the car, but I hear mixed reviews about how it impacts the car's balance. In the back of my mind, I have thoughts about researching later BMW 4's...but I haven't (and won't) go there until the car is roadworthy. The plan really is to have a fun cruiser that the family can enjoy, and one that I can tackle in reasonable bites as time allows. I suspect it may get panasports and a suspension rebuild over the winter...

  I won't really know how good the deal was until I start taking things apart and finding what behind it, but it looks promising.

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  July 11, 2011 7:29 p.m. TurboDogsDad New Reader

  Yeah, what Keith didn't mention was that I drove that little '02 "ZOOZ" home from Atlanta in January a year ago. Got the webers straightened out, put in Miata seats, undid "most" of what PO screwed up and had a decent drive. Then decided to replace the trunk floor/spare tire well and rockers. And found a little bit of rust here, a little bit there and look where I am now....Yikes! But misery loves company, glad you bought one!

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  July 11, 2011 8:10 p.m. mad_machine SuperDork

  the M10 can be a little screamer.. however, a worked over M42 can be just as good if not better than an S14. I read where a BMW engineer said the M42's head flowed better than that of the S14.

  Bonus.. M42s and M44s can be had all day... S14s not so much

  Be careful of your words, for someone will agree with them. Be careful of your conduct, for someone will imitate it. -Leih Tsu

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  July 11, 2011 8:47 p.m. T.J. SuperDork

  M42/M44 swaps leave you with a steering linkage and an oil pan that want to occupy the same space I think. There are a few completed swaps on 2002faq.com, but it seems that there have been many more attempts that were never completed. I want to turbo my M10 someday, but before I go that route I'd want to tackle the tired stock suspension first.

  "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

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  July 11, 2011 8:58 p.m. Nitroracer SuperDork

  Keith wrote: They don't depreciate, so you get to drive for free. More importantly, it's a driver and not a shell in the garage. It's a lot more fun to work on smaller projects on a driveable car than it is to chew through a mammoth job. I have rediscovered this after the MG is back on the road. I'm a lot more motivated to tackle something like replacing the door cards or swapping out a sway bar when I know I can take the car for a drive when I'm done.

  Does this hold true for a later model 2002? Say a 76' with the bigger bumpers and square tail lights?

  1968 Fairlane 500 / 1998 Camaro Z/28

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  July 11, 2011 9:50 p.m. oldtin Dork

  There are a few m42/44 swaps in the wild. One has decent documentation on working out the oil pan and steering. the m20 adds something like 70-80 lbs in the nose. Not ideal but isn't the handling disaster people would have you think. That said, I was pretty happy with cruising around with the m10. Its a nice drive, can stay with traffic and is cooler than most everything else around you. I always had people approaching to check them out or even make offers.

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  July 11, 2011 11:03 p.m. 850Combat New Reader

  I think it is the second most refined 2000lb car I ever had. I like them a lot. Not all that peppy stock though.

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